Poker Forum

I have been playin online poker for almost a year now and have played in casino's for a bit longer. To start off about online poker I gotta say its pretty fishy how the cards flop and I am 100% convinced Pokerstars uses high action flops to increase the bets and maby they even have ringer players who know what the cards are gonna be. Just last night I made it to the last 300 players of a 2500 person 3$+ rebuy 20k guarenteed tourney and I get dealt pocket aces so I raise 25k out of my 75k chips and another player raises me all in with j8 off suit and beats me. I would say bad beat if this didnt happen every single time to me in every single tourney I ever entered in pokerstars. I get to the payouts sometimes but its always realy low and when ever I get close to the end I always get beat by garbage hands that noone would play in a casino.

Its either I am very unlucky or they manipulate their software and have ringers winning our money. Online poker is now a joke to me and I only have respect for players who have won in the casino and cant believe all the bad beats I see online.

Just watch online poker and watch real live poker u will never see as many good hands at one time then online! The more u bet the more they make, so in my opinion online gambline will never be able to be trusted. My advice is play at a casino because at least ur getting a real deck to play with.

ONLINE POKER IS A JOKE ,,UNTILL ITS REGULATED IT ALLWAYS WILL BE, ANY ONE WHO SAYS ITS NOT, HASNT A CLUE.... I HEAR THE SAME OLD STORIES, ITS NOT RIGGED THEY MAKE TO MUCH.... SO DIDNT ENRON, THAT MEANS NOTHING.... UNTIL ITS REGULATED NO ONE CAN SAY FOR SURE.................++++++

Until now I cant complain about Pokerstars. I made some good money and I usually dont call an all in with J8o.

Halli

Hallo

@all

..well J 8..............better never fall in love with them lol

servus

Lefti........................germanpokernews.vienna

I have been having the same trouble on sites and the biggest cheater of them all appears to be PokerStars, precisely the same problem Slick describes. Another thing they do to me is load me up with all kinds of good luck up front, great opening cards like AA, KK, QQ, way too often to be realistic and then I go and win with them to boot. But that's only up front, then when it gets near the money, I lose every single pot, 100% of them where I'm involved. I get nothing but crap hands, and if I do get a coin flip situation to double up, I'm the loser of the coin flip, not 50% of the time, not 60, 70, 80, 90% of the time, it's every time I'm near the money, 100%. I know they do this to me, therefore I have devised a system to beat them, but it only works barely. Whenever I get near enough to the money in these $3.00 + .30 rebuys (I never take rebuys or the addon), there could be 1,000 players left and paying only 504 places, if I've got 16,000 chips, I can make it to the money by stalling, using every bit of time they allow, thereby not needing to pay the blinds so often, I have to fold every single hand, including AA because if I play it, it will lose. So I make it to the money with 3 or 4 thousand left, earn my $18.00 or so profit for the tournament, then go out on the next coin flip, once again, each and every one of them I lose. I've been doing this for months now, barely making better than break even, I'm a total sucker, thinking it's not fixed, it can't be fixed, so every once in awhile I go ahead and play normal just to make sure, and sure enough, I lose before I get to the money. The doom came after making my first substantial withdrawal.

I would have to disagree with this point because HORRIBLE beats happen all the time in live poker as well. First of all, I have personally had very good success on PokerStars and I have come 1st in many tournaments on that site. However, you will always have birds in poker (either live or online) that will call a superior hand with some crap and then get lucky and crack a big hand...it happens all the time. Just the other day I saw a hand at a live game that couldn't have been dreamt up any worse. One guy flopped quad Aces and was trying to trap on the flop until the OTHER guy went all in on a flush draw!! What happens??? The guy with the flush draw goes runner runner for a Royal Flush!!!! How's that for a bad beat??

i stopped playing on pokerstars because of how boring it was. i have more allins on 3 tables at bodog then all 8 or 12 on that site. probably twice as many. and when i stopped a few months later i got an email saying they caught some people cheating and said i was playing with them so they gave me 235 dollars. i personaly think this was a scam to get people hooked and to come back.

After playing poker for a year, I can say I'm 100% sure that most online rooms ARE RIGGED. Some more, some less, but they are. Whenever I opened account on I new poker site, I started winning for about a month, maybe less ... and then suddenly, I start losing, usually on river against some idiots with 2 outs ... Only thing I wonder now is, is there any online poker room that anybody can tell me that is NOT RIGGED, and where the cards come out like in real life casino ? I don't know, I maybe missed to try that site ? I wanna give internet poker one last chance because I decided recently to stop playing on internet. I just can't take it any more, I'll play maybe small stakes SNG's when I'm bored or so, but that's it

I don't really play online very much myself, but explain me this logic: what is the point for the poker room to let win another player not you? The only one i can see is that this person is a "new, up to month" player. But how do they keep the players after "a month"? I do not think that there is a room which has enough new players to disregard the "older ones". That would bankrupt their business in a month.

It's obvious that's something wrong with the cards online. And to tell you why, I don't know the reason, I can just guess. Probably to get more action and take more rake money, also, it's important not to scare beginners ... etc. Anyway, I say, name me ONE POKER ROOM that YOU CAN SWEAR it's completely FAIR and NOT RIGGED. I'll start play there right now, and if I make any money, I'll give you your share

YOUR ARE SO TRUE. I PLAY ON SEVERAL SITES AND WHEN I GET CLOSE TO THE MONEY I GET POCKET ACES AND LOSE. BUT OF COURSE I CALL CAUSE I THINK IT IS GONNA WIN. ONLINE SUCKS, BUT I PLAY SOME FREEROLLS, SO I DON'T RISK MY OWN BANKROLL.

I feel I have to defend Stars. They are an excellent site and I've been cleaning up there for awhile now. Aces get cracked,deal with it. I've had them cracked and vice versa. I don't think you've got the mind or understanding for poker,stick to chess. I love steamers like you, that's where my money comes from. You fold AA lol I'd love to play you.

In order for there to be winners someone has to lose not everyone can win online.
STARS ROCKS and a big thanks to these posters for supplying my roll.Peace.

Bad beats happen everywhere. I seen them online & I've seen them playing in a casino. A lot of times people complaining of 'bad beats' shouldn't have been in the hand anyway. You see a lot more hands playing online so naturally you'll see more bad beats. How profitible would an online poker site such as PokerStars be if it was discovered that cheating & rigging routinely takes place. Pros like Negraneau would not put their name on that site if that were true.

See my post under Poker Tournaments/Tough Hand. It shows that bad beats happens live just like online.

Halli

Hallo

@all

...bad beats happens live just like online.....but online nobody say..hypocritical ....I´m so sorry !!!!!!!!!!

servus

Lefti.................germanpokernews.vienna

You're paranoid. Bad beats happen in all manner of poker games at all levels.

Personally some of my fave hands are KJ or KQ, JT etc suited or offsuited. The ammount of times I've gone all in with them and won huge pots is crazy. There is no universal LAW written in gold that AA has to win every time! The thing is you probably don't go all in with AA very often and get called all in. Thus the one time you do and get out drawn or beaten by trips etc you remember it sorely.

I play in live tournys too and trust me if you play a tight math based game, you're in for a hard ride especially as the blinds increase because guys like me who play on instinct will rule you and bully you. A lot of the good players I know will attempt steal raises with the type of hands I listed above, myself included. The ammount of times we get called and if we're short stacked think 'FCUK it, if I fold I don't stand much chance anyway, I'll call" and then hit our outs is incredible.

Again you can get all frustrated because the laws of probability haven't (or in fact have... think about it, I'm the guy with TJ that busts your AA. Just because probability says you're AA should be a 4-1 Fave, perhaps my JT got beaten by AA in mylast game so now it's time ofr my JT to win....) turned out the way they should OR accept poker the way it is and get on with it...

You guys who read Slansky et al and then expect to play a very tight agg game (with the emphasis on TIGHT) and clean up by being rocks make me laugh. Especially in tourny's which are a WHOLE diff ball game than ring games (note - I'm way too loose in ring games) Why don't you just go ino finance or the stock market or something, seriously....

Not being picky, but you do realize this is a thread that's 6 month's old.

But for the record, there is a time for TAG and a time for LAG. The biggest thing is to play the opposite of how your table is playing to take advantage of your opponents mistakes.

Thread is 6 months old so suddenly the content is irrelevent...?

Playing against your table can often times get you into a lot of trouble. A very tight player with high starting hand requirewments is going to get no action and get bluffed off of many pots at a loose agg table and when he does actually have the goods, isn't going to get paid off very well. Better to target individual players and base your strategy on their style imho.