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AMEN I COULNDT HAVE SAID IT BETTER, WHY WOULD YOU SAY YOUVE WON 25K FROM A CASINO, ONLINE SITE, OR WHEVER, AND TURN AROUND AND PUSH TO BAN IT??? I THINK YOUR EITHER FULL OF SHIT, OR ON SOME SERIOUS DRUGS. IVE PLAYED ON THE PLAY MONEY TABLES NOW AND THEN AND HAD MY BAD BEATS TOO, BUT IVE ALSO HAD MY GOOD MOMENTS. IVE WON REAL MONEY OFF SITES, AND LOST TOO, THATS POKER, BUT IF YOU DONT LIKE IT, DONT PLAY IT THE HELL WITH STUPID WEB SITE, CMON, IF YOUVE FOUND A WAY TO "CHEAT", GOOD FOR YOU, YOUR NO BETTER THAN THE IDIOTS WHO PASSED THE BILL, WHY WOULDNT YOU KEEP THAT TO YOURSELF AND KEEP PROFITING?? LOL

I believe that online poker is definitely a different game than live poker, but would not go so far as to say it is rigged. I believe that there are some factors that many players do not consider about online play. When you play online u see a lot more hands over a shorter period of time so you are more likely to experience a string of bad beats that can make you wonder about the legitimacy. These bad beats that can come come so quickly one after another can put many emotional players on tilt you may be sitting down at a table with several people on tilt and ready to chase down 1 2 and 3 outers just to get some of their losses back.Another valid point is when I play live I can spot people that are scared too look stupid in a hand and will not do things that other people will comment on as being a bad play, or a stupid one so they will fold to you preflop or on the flop even though usually they would call and gamble trying to beat you, when you play online people do not have that fear because they are alone in the comfort of their home so they will chase down anything, without fear of being publicly ridiculed, or even the possibility, of physical violence being enacted upon them later after they chased u down with 22 and hit their set on the river when u flopped two pair, i believe these factors affect online play and this is the reason why so many are led to believe it is rigged. However i'm not so naieve or gullible to believe that it is not a remote possibility we have seen bigger schemes in the past busted by whistleblowers, so it could be possible I guess but I still lean to the side that it is legitimate, there is too much to lose and when you are doing commerce on the internet and your business is being scrutinized by the collective intelligence of the world (there are a lot of people out there who would look into this.) there is too big a chance that you will be exposed and lose everything why risk it? So I will keep playing online poker.
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for get it

Such a fool. the USA don't like foreigners take their blueblooded yanks american dream dollars, so they make it illegal there, and thats the only reason.

then add in all of the people who put $10 into their accounts and go all in with 2 6 suited in that super satellite for 50k, and you've got yourself pokerjack- poker with the HIT ME element.

how many times would a donkey in a casino go all in with a hand like doyle or adamski (10,2 or 7,2)?

now how many times do we see those hands go to showdown online?

its a pride thing too. because i can't see you and fear you, i have no reservations re-raising you with queens full of S*@t because i'm not going to ever meet you.

hand security dies online, and you have to adjust your game becuase of it...

this guys is just another person who was annoyed that his slowplaying monster hands won't work nearly as effectively online, or believes that everyone at the table is a lesser poker player than he is, and how could you call my 400 raise with THAT, you donkey bla bla bla wankety wank.

some people you juts wonder why god even bothered....

hence why when online players go "live", they are much better players for it. more hands to analyze and a built in pokerjack system to call their draws to the river.

U agree then

All is possible, until proven. To take it to an extreme, a poker site could have its own robot playing at a tournament. Come River time, the program knows all the cards and just feeds the right card to make the robot win. It would be easy to do. Do they do it? That's another story. They make so much money in the first place, they don't really need to do that.

I'm really more interested in how this guy and his 'professor' did this study live? Exactly how many hands did you record of live play? If you used 5000 total hands then I'd be willing to bet that no more than 1000 of them were recorded live as it would take about 21 days of playing 8 hours a day to get a 5000 sample size in live play. Not to mention that 5000 hands is a miniscule sample size to begin with. I deal poker on the strip in Vegas and I'll be the first one to tell you, the players who play live are definitely not better than the overall caliber of player you see online. Until you start getting into the $25-50 no limit games or the $100/200 limit games, the play is pretty much the same, with the exception that you'll find more better players but the fact is, the only difference between most $4/8 limit players and $30/60 players and $1-2nl players and $5-10nl players is the amount of money they make at their day jobs. It's really no different than online play. The main difference you see between online play and live play is the aggression at the table. Online players are much more aggressive because all they have to do is click the action and all you see as far as your stack is a number. You don't have to physically move, look around, put chips in the pot. Not to mention you have to physically look at the size of the pot and online it's all just a number. Those two aspects alone are psychologically stressful enough to change the way someone plays completely. I've dealt to many of player who has come to Vegas on their online bankroll and has gotten cracked because of these two simple psychological aspects of online play. Regardless, even the players who play a lot live are mostly just plain bad. Too passive, call too much, slowplay too much...or they're much too tight, fold too much, play afraid. If you're around poker long enough, you're going to see some pretty sick stuff. You'll see just as many beats live as you will online, you'll see just as many streaks, you'll see just as many pocket pairs in a row as well. One thing people don't take into consideration is that, in a live game, you have time between hands to forget about what happened the hand before. Whether the online players want to accept that or not, it's really the only difference because, if you play live long enough, you'll see the same things you do online.

Also, if this guy got a sample from a live cardroom, what is he doing playing so much on the internet anyway? He must be playing the 0.10-0.25cent no limit games or something.

I have been dealing poker for 25 years and playing poker for 37 years and I can tell you without a doubt that online poker is as rigged as the day is long. There is no comparison
between online and live poker.For all of you who say why would they the answer is because they can.They know they can be shut down at anytime for one thing and buisness can go bad at anytime for another reason. Greed drives the world today in every aspect of life,be it legal or not.I play with many of the top players in the chicagoland area and you know how many play online.. A big fat zero... you know how many have tried it.. All of them!! There is nobody in the world who would want it to be legit more than me. I work nights at the casino and what would be better than to get home sit in my nice big easy chair put on a great movie and play any type or limit or limit of poker I want.. There would be nothing better and the live poker room would be empty.. let me say it again the live poker rooms would be empty.. No more travel times,no gas exspense, no waiting to get in a game,switch games anytime you want, what could be better, NOTHING.. but is is so rigged that I still get in my car and travel to the casino. Believe me most of the posts you read to defend the sites are put there by the sites themselves.I deal all day long and everyday the players talk about online poker and its always the same,,50 to 1 people know its rigged and the 1 is the idiot who believes the online game is real,and then he starts in with all the remarks we have all heard 1000 times.. why this, why that, prove this,prove that. I will make it simple, if they didnt fix it all the great players would have all the idiots money and the sites would have about 80% less players than they do.Then the rake is way down. Thats it in a nutshell. You can go to BillS poker blog who happens to work for full tilt poker and hear him defend the online poker sites all day. Why because he gets a big fat check to do so..The government is doing 9 out of 10 of you a favor in getting rid of online poker because you couldnt win a dime in a game on the level..Online poker sites always have and always will protect the bad players,they have to or the will lose money,its that simple..

Hi all slick if you think online poker is rigged dont play. But dont get on your high horse and try to ruin the fun of online poker for the masses that love it.

How can you ever play assuming the worst. If the worst happens, oh well, next hand. But, to assume the worst and be a profitable player, I'm just not buying it.

I don't care if you did a study or not, anyone with half a brain knows that the RCG is rigged for action flops and multiple beats. The problem I am having over the past year is, the math is inconsistent. In other words, if I'm a 10-1 favorite going into the river and I'm losing 3 out of those 10 times then it's bullshit. I can take a beat, I'm not a tilty player, (next hand) but when the game defies all mathematic probabilities, than something is wrong. fanprophet.com

I don't buy that one. "There is nobody in the world who would want it to be more legit" than you. No my friend it's ME I love this post. It is that simple, there is no way I can sit in a game, get my money in GREAT most of the time, then.. whatever. The RCG is not random and like you said, a person would have to be a fool to think that it was.

Anybody get screwed out of there cashout at pacificpoker ,they mail me a check then put a stop payment on it because it took to long to reach me and now they are asking for all sorts of proof that i made deposits ,whitch i have made lots of.had no problems before.dont be a sucker stay away from PACIFIC POKER OR 888.com;;;;

i have just read slickinfinitys articles and im sorry to say this but what a plonker, if he ony took the time to discover that a random number generator is just that random, but that is not to say the same person wont be dealt good cards 40%0r even 50% plus some time or even more it all depends on the players as well, preflop a player may challenge an all in of AA with a 2J and low and behold the flop goes 32J and the AA get busted, the fact is, that poker is a gambling game and as such the unlikley is bound to happen and the more tables and players there are the more chances of that type of event happening are increased. to say on line gambling is fixed is laughable.

I work as an affiliate manager for one of the top online poker rooms and I can say that the games are not rigged. In addition, if I thought for one second that my poker room was rigged. I would quit my job, because I could not give the support with all my heart to my affiliates and poker player members.

Well i don't think online-poker is rigged, although it happens more often that i fold a trash hand and would end up with the perfect flop..the same happens in live games to me and with the simple fact that you'll see much more hands online that "rig" is well explained.
i'm still a pretty noobish player, playing the micro limits but i'm actually 1200% up and, according to kazus post i should be a pretty bad player but as it happens i mostly cash in live games too so i think in the end it still comes down to skill!
and as he says nobody of the top players plays online he should just make a short stop at fulltilt or any other well known poker site where he would find more than enough top players playing online..and why should they waste their money in high level cash games on daily bases if it was rigged?

and finally:if anybody can't handle losing, poker might be the wrong game for him as they say..

ironman2000, we will start with you,do you think someone at your level would be told of anything to do with anything of this sort,if you do then i see why you think rngs are random.. lazylouie your next, like you said your noobish so you `wouldnt see a problem if it hit you in the face... yea your up a million we know....happyjim2, your post makes as much sense as lazylouies, all gambling is set to probabilities over a period of time.like fanprophet stated if you keep taking hands in with a 10 to one probability to win and keep losing 3 out of ten then there is a problem. period..in all gambling games the math has to work out and if you people dont understand that very basic asumption then there is no sense taking it any further with you.whether it be poker,roulette, craps or any other game,,all the payouts are based on the mathamatical probablities.thats how casinos set the odds for payoffs on anything..when the math defies the probabilities the only answer is cheating period...no exceptions... and online poker breaks the math barriers everyday.. and as far as the pros playong online,Im sure the game coming out of thier computers is far from the game coming out of ours.. if they lost there endorsments it would be over... so all you guys just keep depositing and have fun...Ill will stick to my 20/40 live game and my paycheck from the casino I work at

(it seems that responses would actually go to the person who you are replying to, atleast start a new thread, but not here- this was a reply to the guy who claimed 5k samples would not be enough to make and educated sample from)

that isnt true, go to college and take a statistics class. you can actually get the same results from just a few hundred samples. the sample size does not matter as much as the samples themselves. i agree with others that this guy did not take a serious route as far as analyzing correctly or sampling efficiently. the samples need to be consistent across the board, which they obviously were not here- atleast as he stated them.

anyhoo, i believe that we all have gotten him the attention he so greatly wanted by replying to his post in the first place. it was poorly executed, if actually executed at all, and of course, poorly written. if he is an english speaker, then i would love to play poker with him. if his game is as bad as his grammer, then we all stand to make tons of cash off this fool.

slickinfinity, please give me your email i wish to talk with you in private

slickfinity, contact me at---jailhousej@yahoo.com--- didnt think you would want to put your email online after all the comments so will give you mine. jim