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blackchina Moderator
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I'm playing in a $20 multi table tourney and get KK first hand in the BB. Blinds are 10-20, one guy raises to 50 then another reraises to 200. I still figure I had the best hand. I push all in and the reraiser calls with AQo. He spikes an A on the river. How would you play that hand differently?
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allinwlk Beginner
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you got all his chips in the pot with you holding the best hand. you cant play it differently. you lost to luck nothing else
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Gedas Administrator
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bad beats happen all the time, thats life of online poker  but it was a strong hand AQ also, so you cant say that its pure luck, if it would be 72 off you could curse alot 
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Joerve Beginner
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Right move, instashove KK after a raise and a reraise, the fact that he hit an ace, too bad.
You had the best hand preflop. Better luck next time.
Id shove KK anytime
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texasrounder Beginner
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That's poker.
I would not have gone all in with a raise and a reraise unless I had AA just for that reason. I would have just called pre-flop. The A might have come on the flop or the turn and you could have gotten away from it at that point if you just called. By moving all in you give him a chance to draw out on you with an A.
Why did you go all in? Why didn't you just call to see the flop?
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Gedas Administrator
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I dont think an ace on the flop would stop me from going all in with monster hand like KK, I would say that he is bluffing to push me out of the big pot with raises preflop.
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Dannyph_uk Beginner
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Boring as it is, you did do the right thing. You have to take risks in early tournament play in order to have a better position later. It just did work out this time is all. Luck is a big part of the game, you are placing 'bets' after all!
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pawelekg Beginner
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I had a similar tournament - I busted out in the first hand with AhQh. Stacks were $1000,
blinds 10-20. I limped, there was a rise and then a reraise to $200, I and the original raiser called. The flop came Q and two rags, rainbow. The reraiser bet pot and I figured that he must have had a Queen with a weaker kicker and pushed (actually the pot was that big at the moment that there was nothing else I could do), he called with Qs7s, on the turn a 7 fell and I lost.
Pawel
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minstrel55 Beginner
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I agree completely with Texas. No sense pushing preflop there since you can laydown should an ace hit the flop, or if you're putting him on AK or AQ and the flop is safe, most times pushing post flop is better. AK or AQ has very little ev when it misses the flop, so while calling all in preflop with AK or AQ is somewhat reasonable, calling AI after it misses is just stupid... should be an easy fold for your op.
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wimbolimbo Beginner
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guess pushing there is not wrong when you look at what hands will call you. Only aces will beat you and still you can win the hand spiking a King. TT,JJ,QQ,AK,AQ you're hand is a big favorite and the others are sitting there with 2 or 3 outs. So you loose like 2 out of 10 times and win the rest. Pretty EV+ in my opinion and why not getting the money in preflop with such odds to double up early in the game. Guess you miss a lot of value when you bet or shove the flop when the other guy totally missed.
Poker is just like sex. It's much more fun when you're alone behind your computer.  
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blackchina Moderator
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It's poker, I just like to vent sometimes but in the long run as long as you make the +Ev decisions you will come out on top. 
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papagallo Beginner
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I'd have called pre-flop. With the flop coming all under King, then I'd have pushed all in. It would take a lot more to call you with only 2 cards to come as opposed to 5 pre-flop. You may have been able to push him off the hand. If not, well, that's just the way the "chips fall".
But maybe I'm a little bit tighter than most.
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Nectarian Beginner
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the only cards pre-flop that could had you beat is AA which is unlikely, that your opponent suckout is part of the gamble, now flat calling the raise and doing a stop & go after the flop as long as an ace didn't hit could had saved you but your opponent still may had suckout out with a set, with the ace not even being a factor, pushing with the best hand was the right call, the idea is to get the most money you can with the best cards sure the stop & go may had worked but playing that weak tight will in the long run only pick you up small pots, and cause you to loose many more pots with the best hand if your opponents can smell out that weakness, you did the right thing and got the wrong result, thats all
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nickname Advanced
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his call is very bad.
with a raise a reraise and an allin to call with AQ is a very bad move.
you did what you wanted all the money in with the best hand.
if you should have called his raise and the flop came 3 8 10 you bet he folds u only win 250 so thats not a good move.
again your move was good his call was bad and he got his A.
move is +ev and thats the most important
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RunnerJ10 Beginner
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i dont know if i would shove my kings,
Like some people say if you're not affriad to shove/call on a A-high flop than why would you shove? hands that are callin
MAYBE QQ
KK/AA
I would have called and would have let JJ/TT/99/88 in the pot with me, and shove/call anyway flop
Imo bad shove
On a $5 tournament OK but a $20 imo the level is a bit higher there than in the $5 tournaments lol
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Aces-up Beginner
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While its true that the call with AQ was definitely the wrong move, it doesn't mean that pushing here was the right move. It really depends on what type of player the reraiser is and you just don't know that yet since it is so early in the tournament.
I think I would take a flop, and put in a big bet on that flop no matter what. If there is no Ace on the flop, you are probably ahead and if the guy has pocket aces.. Well you're going broke. If there is an Ace, you're going to know soon enough whether you're beat or not and if you are, you can get away from it and hang on to your tournament live.
But I am not saying pushing is the wrong move! Obviously you got your money in being a big favorite, and that can never be wrong. I'm just saying I wouldn't think it's worth it in the early stage of a tournament.
If it is later on in the tournament, it's a no brainer. Push and hope for the best.
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vicesquad26 Beginner
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First hand of a tourney I probably wouldn't have pushed for the fact I don't want to get sucked out on and finish early (as was shown). If you had of pushed on the flop you probably would have bet him out of it. If an Ace had of come on the flop you would have saved half your stack (Hindsight is a wonderful thing).
Short answer: You made the right move. Long answer: Maybe is was the wrong time for that move.
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