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When is the poker community going to demand that sites stop using "high action" producing algorithms?

I'm so fed up with it all... I'm not saying this as the result of some bad beats, on the contrary I think I've been more fortunate than most, its just that I like playing POKER and not the farce that seems to becoming an accepted norm that we put up with simply because we love playing the game.

Ive just spat one of them out and gave it to......

.......he loves it thx.......what is a algorithm anyway

regards....wibble....TAXIDEL 3PS....TAXIDEL 4 PR

I agree with saltcod....there are definitely high action producing algorithms. Sure, you see "action flops" when playing live, but never with the frequency that you do online. Unfortunately, this is the online way and I really don't think there is anything that anyone can do to change it. As large as the industry is, why would they want to change.

I used to bitch about the "action flops", but then I began to think that it was not so much the algorithms as it was the number of hands played in a shorter time frame, online. Many of us are playing multiple tables, seeing many, many flops in a short time frame. As a result the perception is that these action hands occur often. But its more likely that we just remember them because, unlike a live game, we are involved with 50 times the number of hands in the same time frame....or...maybe there are more action hands!! lmao!!

I totally agree with the more action algorithm theory. I also believe that on some, if not all sites, players are coded categorically. So if you're at a table with players that have a higher code rating than you, you have less chance of winning. I don't know how it's done, but I believe it's being done. I think cashouts and FPP purchases have a negative effect on the players coding.
My personal experience, started when I transferred some funds to my wife's acount. Then I used most of my FPP's to purchase books. The more I read and the more knowledgeable I got about the game, the worse it got. I've been card dead for months. I've lost 85% of my BR to suckouts and bad beats and it doesn't seem to matter whether it's Limit, NL or tournament. I'll cash in a SnG every now and then, but over the course of the last six months I've gone from a small but never the less winning player to a totally losing one.
I'll be out of funds soon if things don't turn around, so look me up at PS and any hand you play against me will be a winner. I know that's a dim pessimistic view, but that's exactly how I feel about online play these days.
Okay, I've whined enough. Last time I did this the poker gods listened and helped me out a little. Hope they're still listening.

I am a SW developer, and this is very easy to do. Just flag accounts at the DB level, For Example:
N = (New Player)
X = (Experienced)
L = (Low Stakes)
M = (Medium) .....

Just alter the so-called random code algoritm from time to time, to hit 'flagged accounts' or vice versa, to not hit the flop.

Really quite simple. There is only one solution - Regulation and Checks/Balances.

The fox guarding the henhouse, is not the solution. If there is way to cheat, people will find a way to do it.

FLSir

The truth is out there

FLSir

Wow, I'd just developed the same theory myself - spooky to read it from others.

I developed the theory because there was no other explaination for severe twists in fortune, that seem to occur from joining a site, to a month or so later. How many of us have joined a site, won a bit, and thought 'this is the site for me, if this keeps up I'll be loaded' to 'what the **** happened?'. From being 'given' 8/1 shots on flops, all of a sudden you can't bring an 85% home whenever you commit, because some stranger has hit his runner runner straight with his 2-4offsuit call.

The deepest proof, is that it's only ever when you COMMIT, step over the line, put all your chips in, when the most damage can be done to you in one swift move.

Programming is simple...

When you join a site, you get a value of 100, this value decreses over time dependant on your turnover at the site. It can increase from deposits, and even 'crazy play'.

This allows programmers to pick ANY scenario such as

No deposit in a month = -5pts
Play at site is over 80% freerolls = -15pts
Has a $100 spend in one hour = +15pts

etc etc

As I said, it's when you commit that the program kicks in, it's not always running, it becomes alert when 2-3 players are moving all-in with cards still to come.

Example...

At the table showdown pre river, the program can look at these player values, let's say they are 92 (new sign-up player), 34 (regular punter) and 16 (guy that only plays freerolls). Not hard for the program to 'hit' the guy with the highest number. The programmers now have a new sign-up winning a big hand, he needs to be encouraged to stay. The other 2 players are worthless to the site and they can rake back from them.

Perfect, simple, dynamic, expandable, statistic producing, 100% managable, error free, and a nano second to perform.

I am either right, or I need to get this copyrighted.

I'll tell you what, if this could ever be proven, the Legislators would have a field day and online play world wide would die until total governmental regulation was in place.

I find that if I move my mouse in elongated "figure 8" motions before the action gets to me actually helps to confuse the algorythm and I usually get better cards.

Additionally, if I'm holding a pair of 4's in the hole, I will click my mouse button four times before calling. This helps me hit my set more often.

I just keep my tinfoil hat on and it wards off all the electromagnetic signals being sent out by the site.

I told you it would come in handy, Kwar.

I find that if I move my mouse in elongated "figure 8" motions before the action gets to me actually helps to confuse the algorythm and I usually get better cards.

Kwar, what you say here could in fact be true. The random generator algorithm for PS and perhaps others is based on mouse movement.

I'm highly speculative of the click 4 times algorithm though, unless it's with a ruby slipper clicker.

I am currently playing on PADDY POWER POKER,
1st of all at peak times the site shows it has 25-28'000 real money players and off peak it shows 8-10'000 players!!! -i dont accept this because that would make them in the top 5 wouldn't it?

Anyway last march when i deposited $30 on PACIFIC POKER ,i have built that up to
$1000 and we are in mid feb,so roughly it took me 1 year to do this and i am chuffed at myself for never playing beyond my means.

The above writings seem to make sense,especially the one from 'cheat'.
Back to paddy power..the site is a very smooth site..lots of cash games and guarantee tornys( which always has just enough players enrolled to cover what ever the guarantee is...hmmmmm)

Like a few sites ive deposited at ,the first week or so , its a pissball to double your initial deposit ( as if its letting you win) then after that your f@@cked!!!

I consider myself to be a good solid and aware player but i am a big beleiver in intuition and gut feeling and i know when im getting 'set up'.

These scenarios below are from 200 hands played whilst on 2 tables (100 per table roughly)...i thought you were going to help me Davega to post my hand historys

.10-.20 cash nl buyin $20,

Small pots i have a very high success rate( other players perceive me to be TAG)because thats what i am. I win the majority of all in against the small stack $5,$6 etc.

Dont forget this is over 200 hands,grinding above $25 before each all-in

Hand 1 -i have Ac,Jc inlate position against Kc,Kd. flop.. Js 6h Jd-turn- 7c -river - Ks

both of us are all-in pot is $50+.

Hand 2- I have Ah,As utg folded to BB who has Qd,Qc -flop -6d,7c,8c -turn Qh -river 10s

both of us are all in pot is $50+.

Hand 3- I have 3h,3d middle position and limp in with 2 others SB has Ad,Js,

Flop -10h,3c,As - pot builds up turn is Ah ( LOL YOU KNOW ITS COMMING)

river is ...10s....both of us are all-in pot is $60+

Hand 4- I have AK of hearts early other player has 8c,8d , another player has 9h,9s

flop shows: 8h,Ad,9c...lol.. turn is A,s.......river 3c<<<<<lmfao

all of us are all in $60+ pot...99 wins.

Hand 5- I have Kc,Kh other player has 5s,5d ..flop is 4h,2d,Ah..turn is 10h after the turn

i over bet the pot and force player to call my all-in ..he calls river is 3sfish!!

the strangeness of that call he was a tight player pot was $50+

Hand 6- Ihave AQc mid position and i am called on my raise with Kh,Ks

flop is 10c,Js,Kd ...turn Qh...river...........Qd...bullshit!!!

pot is $50+

This seems to be the case with a handful of sites ive played at but i have to say that the only site where i beleive it is most realistic (RNG etc) and honest is POKERSTARS.

Maybe this is why they dont offer bait ( huge bonuses etc) after all you dont get anything for free in this life!!

POKERSTARS is where i will end up for this reason( just look how big the site is anyway. However i have to mention PACIFIC who seem to be one of the other realistic sites ,so these two will be my choice ultimately.

Like anything in life we have choices so if we want to play then we play at what ever limit we choose but untill things are legalised we can not be certain about anything!!!

This is not a about bad beats because i play about 6'ooo hands a week and no when i have had a bad run or when i am getting it stuck up me.

comments welcome............phew!!!!!!!!

Regards....wibble

nice post wibble, yes, phew.

Out of interest, I played a casino or two as well, and found that nowhere on the site could I find any statement that the game was a realistic and fair one, ie with random cards. There is nothing to stop the whole casino just being a program that gives pre determined results, with you on an 85% payback (which = loser). Thats how a poker machine works, and the blackjack etc are set up exactly the same.

Crazy but true - nowhere does it say it's a genuine fair game.

And also, referring to your point about Gaurentees always having the correct amount of people - I cannot believe 100 people are sitting in wait to pounce on an overlay to the extent that about 85 of them register in the last 2 minutes! After all, going on that theory they would unregister as soon as the overlay was busted - they never do.

Much more sensible to assume the site fills it with bots, those bots then play random action crap to create action, and this is why you see 'idiots' chasing rubbish and bluffing all in too many times - yep - they got nothing to lose have they? One day I gonna track the last 50 entries and watch em blowing tables apart, of course I'll stay away cos they'll win all the time.

And don't even get me started on the fact that 1st place prizemoney is always 50%+ of the prizepool, if I had 100 bots in a 500 people tour, I rackon I could pick up 40-70% of that prizepool - a nice little earner for the site. Need proof? Why have we NEVER seen a tour where, say, the top 20 all get 5% of the prizepool? If a site did this I would be rich for the amount of times I have finished just out of top 3 etc. But it would surely screw up their money making machine if they had to actually give some money away!

In 10 years time we all going to look back at the 'great poker swindle' and wonder how we coulda been so stupid. Need proof? Exactly WHY won't the government take responsibility for it? It's free taxes, govt's never refuse free taxes, there can only be one reason, thjey don't wanna admit it's faked and ultimately get sued to the s***house.

In my above thread i assume PADDY POWER POKER are in the top 5 online rooms with

25'000-28'000 players which i question...here i have made a mistake because PPP are part of the iPOKER network which also has TITAN POKER...CD POKER and others and all there cash and tornament players are playing in the same cash +tornys on this network,

This is the reason why so much player traffic is shown..so my apologies.

Regards...wibble