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1-2 no limit hold em cash game at Winstar Casino.

I'm in the big blind for 2 bucks
6 players limp
I look down at pocket 9's and raise to $12 (standard raise at this table)
The 4 seat calls and the 9 seat calls, all others fold.
The flop comes K,9,3, with 2 clubs (I have no clubs)
I check, the 4 seat checks.
The 9 seat bets out $20
I'm kinda worried about the flush draw out there, so I shove a stack of $100 (I have another $100 left)
The 9 seat goes into the tank (She has me more than covered, about $350 in her stack)
As she is thinking, I look at her and say "Can you beat a set?"
She says, "You really have a set??"
I say, "I'm just taking a survey...I'm not saying if I have one or not"
--- a little background info for the story...I've been there for 6 hours and these 9's are only the second pocket pair I've had all day. Before this hand I'm in the black about $22. I figure I am more than happy to take the approximately $50 bucks in the pot and go to the next hand.-----
Seat 9 says "Will you show me if I fold" I tell her "Sure, no problem"
She folds and flips up a set of 3's (no clubs)
She says she was only considering shoving or folding.
I immediately feel like vomiting profusely because I could have most likely doubled up.

I'm not very good on calcualting odds, but I'm sure If I knew exactly what they were, I'd probably feel even more stupid.

What's the consensus? Whas my play wrong every time, or did it have any merit wahtsoever??

Halli

Hallo

@Wide

......................................don´t ask her again !!!

servus

Lefti

I'm not one to bash too hard.

I'm kinda worried about the flush draw out there, so I shove a stack of $100 (I have another $100 left)

This bet gives 1 player incorrect odds to chase that flush. Seat 9 had to call $100 to win $157. This was a good play. Make them pay to chase.

But why bother talking? I understand that you wanted to take it down right there as you said,

I figure I am more than happy to take the approximately $50 bucks in the pot and go to the next hand.

But why be happy with $45 when you can make $232?

And another question to you, what would you have done if she'd shoved? Fold? Why put it out there if you're that gun-shy? Call? Why talk her off of hands that you're ahead on then?

For this hand, you got what you wanted. You took it down without going to showdown. If you had known her cards, you would have done differently and if she knew yours, she would have done the same so according to the Theory of Poker, bad play on your part and good play on hers.

Talking is a double edged sword that most players can't wield. Better play, keep the mouth closed and the eyes open.

Good luck.

biggest donkey in the world, if you worried about a flush, then dont give them flush odds.

if she went into the tank before you asked her if she can beat a set,
she already put you on the set.

"davega"

If you had known her cards, you would have done differently and if she knew yours, she would have done the same so according to the Theory of Poker

you really think she would have bet the $20?

I meant the folding, not the betting. Mike talked her into a fold when he had her dominated. He could have felted her here if he hadn't said a word.

it is always eaiser to think more clearly after the battle and i dont want to be a basher, but here are my 2 cents

First of all, if you were worried about the draw (especially with 2 players in a 6 limper pot)why not lead at the pot take control of their drawing odds and not give a potential free card. if you did so in this hand this most players would put you on ak type hand, the set of 333 would almost certainly raise you giving you a chance to reraise and win a bigger pot if not double up. ABC poker may not be creatively satisfying, but it will win more money in most situations at a 1/2 game

Did you think about what range of hands s9 might have, and what hand(s)they might put you on. if she was tight aggressive flush draw is less likely, big suited Ace would have raised preflop and she wouldnt be on j3s, if S9 was loose a suited hand is more likely since loose players love any 2 sOOted cards especially in multi limpers pots, but no real info on villian in post, However there was certainly no reason to believe kk was 6th limper

But more to the point, exactly what info did you hope to get with your comment about a set, did you really think seat 9 limped w kk? you had to figure you had best hand and were about 75% to win the hand vs flush draw and even bigger favorite over every hand except kk, why give them a chance to get away from their hand cheap, from your post it sounds like you were playing tight anyway, why confirm that image and that you had a monster, which is a typical check raise tell

i try to follow my mom's advice at the poker table,
if you cant say something helpful dont say anything

and my dad's advice too
it is better to be thought an idiot
than to speak and remove all doubt

as to your admission of not really knowing the odds, there isnt a lot to it, but it will help you win more and more often and it doesnt take much to become odds proficient. proper bet size is an important part of NL and it is much easier if you know the drawing odds, also for when you on a draw and need to estimate drawing and implied odds.

bottom line is you should have won a much bigger pot or taken a bad beat to a 1 outer

and that is my 2 cents

ps- i am amazed she showed 33, cuz dam near nobody folds a set on the flop to 1 raise on such a nonscary board. that is either brilliant or incredibly weak by s9, given it is a 1/2 game i cant give her credit for brilliance. i mean why do you play 33 if not for a disguised set?

if s9 hadnt shown 33, it would be more likely they had a weak K or mid pr like 77 and feared Ak, kq buy you- i hoped you bluffed her again later in game, if she was willing to lay down 333, what wont she fold?

hockeyfan9999 wrote

it is always eaiser to think more clearly after the battle and i dont want to be a basher, but here are my 2 cents

First of all, if you were worried about the draw (especially with 2 players in a 6 limper pot)why not lead at the pot take control of their drawing odds and not give a potential free card. if you did so in this hand this most players would put you on ak type hand, the set of 333 would almost certainly raise you giving you a chance to reraise and win a bigger pot if not double up. ABC poker may not be creatively satisfying, but it will win more money in most situations at a 1/2 game

Did you think about what range of hands s9 might have, and what hand(s)they might put you on. if she was tight aggressive flush draw is less likely, big suited Ace would have raised preflop and she wouldnt be on j3s, if S9 was loose a suited hand is more likely since loose players love any 2 sOOted cards especially in multi limpers pots, but no real info on villian in post, However there was certainly no reason to believe kk was 6th limper

But more to the point, exactly what info did you hope to get with your comment about a set, did you really think seat 9 limped w kk? you had to figure you had best hand and were about 75% to win the hand vs flush draw and even bigger favorite over every hand except kk, why give them a chance to get away from their hand cheap, from your post it sounds like you were playing tight anyway, why confirm that image and that you had a monster, which is a typical check raise tell

i try to follow my mom's advice at the poker table,

if you cant say something helpful dont say anything

and my dad's advice too

it is better to be thought an idiot

than to speak and remove all doubt

as to your admission of not really knowing the odds, there isnt a lot to it, but it will help you win more and more often and it doesnt take much to become odds proficient. proper bet size is an important part of NL and it is much easier if you know the drawing odds, also for when you on a draw and need to estimate drawing and implied odds.

bottom line is you should have won a much bigger pot or taken a bad beat to a 1 outer

and that is my 2 cents

ps- i am amazed she showed 33, cuz dam near nobody folds a set on the flop to 1 raise on such a nonscary board. that is either brilliant or incredibly weak by s9, given it is a 1/2 game i cant give her credit for brilliance. i mean why do you play 33 if not for a disguised set?

if s9 hadnt shown 33, it would be more likely they had a weak K or mid pr like 77 and feared Ak, kq buy you- i hoped you bluffed her again later in game, if she was willing to lay down 333, what wont she fold?

+1 for this epic post

worrie about the flushdraw..?? so why check the flop/? and give them a free card!?!?

you should have bet the flop!