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protest action against the Valencian shortstack team on Unibet/Ladbrokes

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Posted: 2009-06-25 22:14
I think it's time for the Unibet and Ladbrokes regulars who have had it with the shortstackers to vioce their opinion. Nothing bad can come from it and Ladbrokes also need to hear about it.

1. Change the red parts of the e-mail so that it suits you. If you want you can obviously compose a completely new e-mail or make changes to this one, just get your opinion through (don't forget it sign with your real name and screen name).
2. If you're a Unibet reg e-mail Unibet, if you're a Ladbrokes reg e-mail Ladbrokes. If you've got accounts at both, e-mail both.
3. It's definately a plus if you e-mail from the same address you've got registered at the site.

care@ladbrokespoker.com
info-be@unibet.com



Example subject: Appeal for new measurements wrt minimum buyin/shortstack issue

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Dear Unibet/Ladrokes,

I would like to address an issue I share with a lot of other regular players at your site, the increasing amount of short stackers at your No Limit Texas Hold'em tables. A huge amount of new short stackers has emerged the last couple of months, playing the majority of their hands on 200NL and 400NL. Most of those players are from Valencia, Spain. It seems like they're playing as a team according to the same system and are working in shifts, often sitting in pairs on the tables. The fact that their playing styles are almost identical can be seen when comparing different poker statistics like voluntary put money in pot and preflop raise percentages.

The presence of those players results in a few problems. Since they frequently switch tables when they double up, it's breaking the tables and often kills the games. Whether or not those players are colluding is only up for speculation, but it is worrisome to see a team of players working in shifts and often sitting at the same tables.

Here's a list of screen names of some of the short stacking players from Valencia, playing 200NL and 400NL:

- Piruloo
- Lithany
- Canichewua
- Pacollopis
- Zjinder
- Rumanoff
- noxam
- Cacoto
- Elfriky
- Mansillator
- m0rFi4ever
- MetalSharK
- el_paellero
- Perkatauro

This list could've been made longer. Some of those players have been playing for a long time, but what's concerning is the rapid increase in short stackers, not only from Valencia.

Aside from the fact that those players contribute to killing game, they also contribute to creating a poker environment few players appreciate. The minimum buy-in of 20BB allows the short stacking players to use a strategy dominated by going all-in preflop with a very wide variety of starting hands. This ends up negating the important element of postflop play.

This is a problem that doesn't only concern your every day regulars, it also concern the recreational players. It's my firm belief that the majority of people who love playing poker would appreciate not being forced into a huge amount of all-in situations preflop and thus to a large extent being negated playing hands postflop. I can't believe that the recreational players play at your site only to constantly watch five cards run down after a preflop all-in.

So what's our suggestion on how to solve this problem? We would like to see new rules regarding the minimum buy-ins at your NLHE tables, where the default tables have a minimum buy-in of 40BB. This would be the new variety of NLHE tables:

- Default tables with a minimum buy-in of 40BB and maximum buy-in of 100BB.
- Short stacked tables with a minimum buy-in of 20BB and a maximum buy-in of 100BB.
- Deep stacked tables with a minimum buy-in of 100BB and a maximum buy-in of 200BB.

As a result, any player can choose to play at the kind of table he/she prefers. There will be short stacked tables running for those who prefer playing with a smaller amount of big blinds, however no-one will be forced to play with the special dynamics of a table filled with short stackers. As is, this dynamic is something that makes a lot of your regular players to consider changing sites. I also think it's something that prevents attraction of new players. If your site would offer a better opportunity to play poker including all facets of the game, I'm sure that's something which would benefit the current player base as well as the generation of new players.

Thanks for reading this and I hope you take our concerns seriously. I've been a loyal member of Unibet for quite some time and would prefer if it could stay that way.

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Posted: 2009-06-26 13:17
I love playing short stacked and often enjoy playing short stacked players! I think they shoudl research the colluding part, but sounds a little like whining to me with the second part! But, if they offer the tables, more power to you!
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